[Reading] ➿ De Re Publica et De Legibus ➶ Marcus Tullius Cicero – Thomashillier.co.uk


De Re Publica et De Legibus Cicero S On The Commonwealth And On The Laws Are His Most Important Works Of Political Philosophy The Present Volume Offers A Scholarly Reconstruction Of The Fragments Of On The Commonwealth And A Masterly Translation Of Both Dialogues The Texts Are Supported By A Helpful, Concise Introduction, Notes And Other Aids Students In Politics, Philosophy, Ancient History, Law And Classics Will Gain A New Understanding Of This Seminal Thinker Thanks To Professor Zetzel S Volume.

  • Paperback
  • 207 pages
  • De Re Publica et De Legibus
  • Marcus Tullius Cicero
  • English
  • 09 March 2018
  • 9780521459594

10 thoughts on “De Re Publica et De Legibus

  1. says:

    In high school I read Cicero in third year Latin My teacher, like most classics teachers, found him indispensable The proposition he put was twofold Cicero was a master of Latin prose very difficult to translate because of his long, complex sentences and Cicero was a defender of a republic that was than worth saving for after Cicero, the republic became an empty, corrupt dictatorship that only went through the motions of giving all citizens a voice and protecting their rights.My impressions many years later are twofold Cicero was one of the earliest political actors philosophers who defined what we still understand as conservatism, and Cicero, like many Roman writers, worked in the shadow of the genius of Greece.Cicero s conservatism rested on two pillars as well respect for Rome s religious practices and respect for Rome s system of government, wherein the aristocracy held the upper hand, the plebeians had some protections, and the general administration of state through the Republic and the first emperor dictator Augustus was efficient and effective.If...

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    My video review

  3. says:

    The works included here are rather fragmentary especially The Republic, so it s hard to give the works a fair appraisal That being said, I did gain some insight into ancient Roman politics I also think some of the ideas in here speak to us all these centuries later There is one quote that had to do with the anarchic tendency of democracy that particularly caught my attention In a state of that kind total freedom must prevail Every private household is devoid of authority Father fears son, son ignores father, respect is completely absent In the interests of universal freedom there is no distinction between citizen and foreigner Youngsters assume the authority of older men As this unlimited license comes to a head citizens become so tender and hypersensitive that at the slightest hint of authority they are enraged and cannot bear it In consequence they begin to ignore laws too and the final outcome is total anarchy The above struck me because of how relevant it is to our current state of democracy in this country, where a certain contingent of voters really see no difference between criminal illegal immigrants, extremist foreign dissidents and legal citizens They insist on conflating all of the above to the...

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    It is terribly difficult to judge fragments, and especially to compare them with complete works such as Plato s Republic That being said, Cicero clearly takes a much different approach than does Plato He proposes that philosophy must be intermixed with pragmatism and experience to produce the optimal leaders and laws In this sense, Cicero s Republic and Laws pays attention to practical concerns than does Plato, who lacked any degree of actual involvement with real world affairs when compared with Cicero Moreover, the two luminaries philosophies differed, with Cicero being what I would call a liberal Stoic The problem is, just when one gets into one of Cicero s arguments, it is often the case that a fragment is missing Yet it is clear from the fragments that Cicero is bound by common approaches vs high minded...

  5. says:

    Great works of Cicero, since the discussions pn the best forms of government for instance is based on real, past forms of government.Just sad that it did not survived in full.

  6. says:

    Excellent dialogues on the nature of the good, themes of justice, evil, and other matters While arguments against some Platonic ideas , for example, the ultimate benefit of his idea of The Good driving all the other abstractions have been proffered by a...

  7. says:

    Darn those ravages of time and the texts we have lost because of them I had a hard time feeling like I really understood Cicero from just these two fragmentary writings But I m intrigued enough to read .

  8. says:

    Required reading for anyone interested in the history of ethics, jurisprudence, or political theory Absolutely necessary for understanding St Thomas.

  9. says:

    I must admit to quite a bit of skimming I wanted to see the basis for Cicero s arguments than I cared about the arguments or examples themselves And skimming felt somewhat justified given the frustrating fragmentation of the available text.The whole using dialogues to address the reader thing became kind of annoying when the speakers started blending together They weren t really offering counter arguments, so it became kind of self promoting Or something.Cicero s good ol fashioned sense of an ordered universe appealing, of course, to God was definitely pervasive He started to get on my nerves with how much he would appeal to this innate hierarchy, that natural abstract concept of reason And when he was talking about the history of Rome and the development of an ideal constitution, he presumed that there was a progression, an improvement toward perfection I can t help dismissing these progress related presumptions as part of an outdated offensive patriarchal worldview My liberal artsiness blanches at that worldview.Aaaanyway.Cicero makes some nice...

  10. says:

    This is another book I taught for World Civilization courses in the middle of the previous decade Judging by the notes I made, we focused mainly on The Republic, although I have also read The Laws separately It was a useful text for transitioning from discussion of Ancient Greece to Ancient Rome, since Cicero was familiar with the Greeks and frequently uses them as points of departure for his own arguments He is especially interested in Plato, and to some degree his Republic is an answer to Plato s He clearly admires Plato, although he is trying to set out something uniquely Roman and not simply borrow from Greece In the end, his State is often based in moderating between extremes, where Plato s was uncompromising in pursuing the good as Plato saw it.Since Cicero takes the practical, compromising approach, it is likely that his system has had influence on actual governments, although during his lifetime he had little power Today, nearly every nation in the world describes itself as a republic, and Cicero can be seen as the originator of the understanding of most of them as to how popular sovereignty is invested in their systems from the freest to the most tyrannical Understanding Cicero s arguments, from his defenses of aristocracy and democracy to his h...

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